Mark Wallace--The Pope From Chicago

Trump bashed the pope, to which Vance declared: I’m with you, Donnie. Ben riffs. Mark Wallace weighs in. Much political and theological discussion ensues. A distinction is drawn between Trump and Trumpism. That is, a distinction between a thoroughly despicable human creature and his thoroughly despicable I-got-mine ideology. The former is an embarrassment even to those who subscribe to the latter. Mark is a businessman and podcaster in Chicago.